Key points from "The Secrets of Character"

Matt Bird has spent considerable time in the storytelling world, from screenwriting and filmmaking to podcasting.

His latest book shifts to another important piece of your work: the people in it.

Joanna Penn hosted him on her podcast recently to discuss some of the advice from The Secrets of Character: Writing a Hero Anyone Will Love.

You can read a transcript of their conversation about writing powerful characters or listen to the segment on The Creative Penn; points they cover include how to decide on your hero, how to use real-life details to bring fiction alive, and why a character doesn't have to be likable.

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